Sunday, February 16, 2014

Is Thermal Solar Price Competitive?

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A few years ago Thermal Solar had lots of promise. Not any longer. Before you write the technology off please keep in mind that all the competitiveness is based on pure financial flows that do not take into consideration the total cost of Thermal as compared to PV. What is needed in this case is a serious and detailed cradle to grave analysis.
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The Ivanpah solar power plant stretches over more than five square miles of the Mojave Desert. Almost 350,000 mirrors the size of garage doors tilt toward the sun with an ability to energize 140,000 homes. The plant, which took almost four years and thousands of workers assembling millions of parts to complete, officially opened on Thursday, the first electric generator of its kind.
It could also be the last.

Since the project began, the price of rival technologies has plummeted, incentives have begun to disappear and the appetite among investors for mammoth solar farms has waned. Although several large, new projects have been coming online in recent months — many in the last quarter of 2013 — experts say fewer are beginning construction and not all of those under development will be completed.
“I don’t think that we’re going to see large-scale solar thermal plants popping up, five at a time, every year in the U.S. in the long-term — it’s just not the way it’s going to work,” said Matthew Feinstein, a senior analyst at Lux Research.

“Companies that are supplying these systems have questionable futures. There’s other prospects for renewables and for solar that look a lot better than this particular solution,” he said, including rooftop solar systems that are being installed one by one on businesses and homes.

Executives involved in Ivanpah — a venture among BrightSource Energy, NRG Energy and Google — 
say that once the facility proves that the technology can work, it will become easier to finance others, especially as repetition brings the cost down.

When BrightSource and other companies asked NRG to invest in a second thermal project, said David Crane, NRG’s chief, he responded: “We’ve got $300 million invested in Ivanpah — let me see that work for a few months and then we’ll decide whether we want to be involved in more.”
At the same time, BrightSource has shifted its focus, pursuing markets overseas like China, South Africa and the Middle East and designing smaller plants involving one tower rather than Ivanpah’s three.

Addressing a tent full of officials and industry executives, including those from the construction giant Bechtel, the engineering and building contractor on the project, David Ramm, BrightSource’s chief executive, acknowledged the risk at the dedication ceremony about 50 miles south of Las Vegas.
“We will have failed as a company if the last project we built was at Ivanpah,” he said. “The challenge for BrightSource going forward, and hopefully some of the partners who worked with us here, is to enable this technology commercially and in multiple locations around the world.”

It is a daunting challenge. The Ivanpah project was conceived in the early days of the Obama administration, when dreams of creating a thriving renewable energy industry were backed by the federal government’s financial support. Ivanpah received a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, without which it would not have gone forward, the developers said.

Ernest Moniz, the energy secretary, toured a tower and said the plant was an example of how the loan program — which set off a political maelstrom after the prominent failure of one of its borrowers, the solar panel maker Solyndra — was supposed to work.

“Our job is to kick-start the demonstration of these different technologies to have them available to the private sector,” he told reporters, standing on a tower platform, soaring above a dry lake bed, two huge boilers atop the other towers glowing in the distance like something out of a clean-tech version of “The Lord of the Rings.”

But he acknowledged that solar thermal technology only worked at large scale and in certain locations.
The loan program that financed Ivanpah has now ended, and the underlying economics shifted during its construction as the price of conventional solar panels dropped. It’s a familiar story in government-sponsored energy projects, going back to efforts to make gasoline from coal in the late 1970s, which were doomed by the retreat of oil prices.

And as federal support has waned, so, too, has demand for similar large-scale projects. What’s more, an important tax credit worth 30 percent of the cost is set to decline after 2016.
“There have been some big changes in both the market and policy dynamics since we made our investment that, I think, on balance, are not terribly positive for BrightSource,” said Dan Reicher, executive director of the Steyer-Taylor Center for Energy Policy and Finance at Stanford. Mr. Reicher oversaw an early investment in BrightSource in 2008 when he was director of climate and energy initiatives at Google. (The company went on to invest $168 million in Ivanpah.)
“Clean tech investing is way off,” he said.

Still, experts say, BrightSource’s solar thermal technology — which focuses sunlight from mirrors onto 2,200-ton boilers 339 feet in the air to make steam that drives turbines to produce electricity — may have an advantage over conventional panels, which convert sunlight directly into electricity.

The increase in renewable sources of energy, which produce intermittently, coming into the grid, has also increased the need for other services crucial to reliable operation, services that solar thermal plants could provide. Those needs include the ability to start and stop quickly, at any season or hour, when human operators give the order.

Utilities pay power plants for some of those jobs, and some conventional generating stations earn a significant income, in addition to what they receive for producing energy. Around the country, coal plants — of which there are fewer and fewer — were well suited to that work. And government regulators can simply require utilities operating on the grid to show that they have the ability to accomplish some of those jobs, which industry executives call “ancillary services.”

“In the future, there will be money to be made from technologies and systems that contribute to integrating and balancing renewables on the grid,” said Samuel Thernstrom, the executive director of the Energy Innovation Reform Project, a nonprofit in Washington that evaluates electricity policy. “That’s going to be an increasing issue as the percentage of renewables on the grid increases.”

Ivanpah could stabilize voltage but has little storage, though it does have natural gas backup. At the dedication, Mr. Ramm said that in the future, BrightSource’s boilers would use molten salt to store the heat longer. Last year, Arizona Public Service opened a solar thermal plant, Solana, that lets customers brew their morning coffee with the previous afternoon’s sunshine.

At the California Independent System Operator, the company that manages the grid on a moment-to-moment basis, Stephen Berberich, the president and chief executive, said that “on an apples-to-apples basis, it is more expensive than photovoltaic, but it has a heck of a lot more capabilities than photovoltaic does.”

Another expert, Ron Binz, an energy consultant based in Denver and the former chairman of the Colorado public service commission, said that storage would indeed be needed as intermittent renewables grew. But solar thermal plants were not the only way to meet that need, he said, and a competition would follow. “You can’t look at any element of this without looking at all the others,” he said.
(NYT Feb. 14, 2014)
As for the federal loan guarantee program, the government has already changed its approach, looking to emphasize a range of cleaner technologies, especially in fossil fuels and nuclear power.
To that end, Mr. Moniz encouraged the crowd of industry executives to pursue new projects that would qualify for the loan guarantees. “Bring them on,” he said. “We’re ready.”

18 comments:

  1. No, I don't think there is a Thermal Solar Price competition yet. First, more awareness needs to be raised and attention brought to Thermal Solar Power. More people need to know it exists, the benefits, and how it really works. (Once more people have knowledge they would easily be led to becoming customers.) I think the degree of competitiveness depends on the supply and demand. I think the higher the demand, the more competition emerges due to the fact that this is not a usual occupation or profession to have. I think it also depends on the geographic position. This article mentions Arizona, Denver, and the Mojave Desert. These are all places in the Western region of America. I think Thermal Solar Power is only applicable to areas like this that are either really dry and arid, occupying a large part of land or property, or in a place that really needs it. What am I saying? I don't really think it's an "East Coast" thing. As the percentage of renewable resources increases, there will be more of a competition and more money to be made. But until then, I think Thermal Solar Price is not really a competition at this point.I think California is an exception to this rule because they have been innovators and this is their money-making stuff.


    Abraham Alvi

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    1. Abraham, I agree that more people need to know that Thermal Solar Power exists and how it works. I do think that it is a bit expensive right now and ways need to be found to decrease its costs.

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  2. I think Thermal Solar Power shows great promise. At this point in time Thermal Solar Power is not price competitive as it is very expensive. I would be slow to totally dismiss Thermal Solar Power as a possible alternative energy source though. The fact that Thermal Solar Power can provide electricity to 140,000 homes is very promising. If this project turns out to be very energy efficient in the long run then I think this project is worth it. An eye has to be put on the expense of this project. Hopefully it doesn't become so expensive that the project is not worth supporting anymore. Projects like Ivanpah can be started anywhere where there is a lot of sun and land. The fact that this project can only be enacted on a large scale and in certain locations is a really inhibiting factor. The ability to be enacted on a smaller scale would make Thermal Solar power more practical to use.

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  3. It is really up to innovative companies like BrightSource to take the risks and both prove that their technology will be effective and that it will bring in profits to investors. David Crane, the chief of NRG, summed up the situation when he said, "let me see that work for a few months and then we'll decide whether we want to be involved in more." This is basically how I see the issue of renewable technology: don't force it onto people, but rather let those supporting it make it appealing to others. If BrightSource succeeds, then it will both move this nation toward an increased use of renewable energy and will bring in more money to the company which could increase it's efforts and allow them to research further technology. Obviously the fact that it operates on such a large scale is a huge hindrance along with the limited storage. Also, 350,000 mirrors taking up 5 square miles to energize 140,000 homes is not a very great ratio in my opinion. As Abraham said in his post, this definitely would not be appropriate in the East Coast but rather only in states with massive amounts of open space. At the moment solar thermal energy appears to be in a catch 22 where not enough is being invested because it cannot solve the problems which require money for research. As for government loans, with the many recent issues of failed companies and lost taxpayer money (most notoriously Solyndra), it isn't a great political move.

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  4. I believe Thermal Solar Power is a great idea in theory but it is not practical. The benefits can be enormous but the ideal clients are the same companies that moved their factories over sees because labor wages were too high in America. In the long term companies would eventually start realizing the saving but most CEO are concerned with the present and the cost of Thermal Solar Power is just to high. Only after the benefits have been exploited and a scapegoat has been in place with successful results would maybe just maybe other companies would show interest. I agree with Eric, with recent issued concerning failed companies and lost taxpayer dollars, government issued loans won't be the best political movement at this present time. Thermal Solar Power is a great idea but the need for it just isn't demanding enough.

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  5. I think thermal energy is a great idea along with other renewables; such as wind and water. I believe the best renewable source of hydropower to be run of the river and not damming. Moving on, solar energy should be continued to be funded and more companies should invest in solar energy for the greater good of mind kind. It is obvious with the current weather patterns that climate change is here! There is much talk about going green and living more sustainable, but until the market reflects that idea, nothing will be done. Renewable energy needs to be made affordable to a point where a switch price is in place. The world is too dependent on oil and coal. Going back to market price if you look at how much flat screen TVs use to be and what they are now that’s the same way solar power needs to be reduced. More incentives need to be given to people who are willing to invest and purchase renewable energy. People all around the world don’t understand their purchasing power. Currently, my home is heated with renewable energy. In my opinion that lets big coal and oil know that I’m not willing to support them and you can do the same. The market only reflects our behavior as consumers.

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  6. While I do not by any means condemn alternative, green energy sources, I do not think thermal solar power is an efficient or effective option. There are too many limitations in this technology ("...solar thermal technology only works at large scale and in certain locations."), and with the price drop in conventional solar panels coupled with the potential for a more privatized rooftop solar system, it seems the technology has been sliced before it even got its feet of the ground. However, as Ernest Moniz said in the article, “Our job is to kick-start the demonstration of these different technologies to have them available to the private sector.." And it seems to have done just that. If the shift is seen as "...a familiar story in government-sponsored energy projects," then it is great that it acted as a spring board for more efficient technologies. And while thermal solar power may not be a great option for business and homes, I think they could be a good substitute for ancillary services...far better than coal plants. Any new technology is expensive and buggy in the beginning (remember the first iPhone, anyone?), but I think it may have the capacity to function as better alternative than coal plants.

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  7. I think that thermal solar energy is a good alternative to our more common practices, but I think the practicality of it is still in question. Like stated in the article, thermal solar energy would only be effective in a large scale, and in certain locations. This may not be the most reliable form of clean energy, in comparison to solar panels on houses and buildings, or nuclear alternatives. I think that we, as a whole, need to start transitioning from oil and coal, to more environmentally friendly options; however this option would not work throughout most of the U.S. Like the article stated, these plants take up a tremendous amount of space, which would not really fly in suburban or urban areas. If it is possible to create smaller sized versions of these that output the same amount of energy, then it may be a viable option throughout the U.S., but as of now other alternatives should be used.

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  8. I encourage the attempt to move from our dependence on oil and coal into alternative greener forms of energy. However, I'm not sure that thermal solar energy is going to work because it is expensive and only works at a large scale. Those are two huge disadvantages, and I doubt many companies would want to take up a project that is too costly for them, unfortunately, especially when the government is now investing less in thermal solar energy. Nevertheless, it is great to see that companies are now trying to find new forms of energy, and the fact that even one thermal solar energy plant has been created can be taken as a good sign. This can pave the way to find other forms of green energy that can cost less and more businesses will be willing to invest in.

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  9. I think that solar thermal energy could revolutionize America and the way that companies and homes provide energy in their home. It is very efficient and green, but the problem is that it is impractical. To built these panels and areas seem to be very costly and an investment risk. Large companies are the ones that would make these solar panel properties popular, but the problem is that no one wants to spend the money to TRY something new when they already have something efficient happening with coal and fuels. The only problem is that these resources are finite, but until that becomes a problem no one really cares to fix something that isn’t broken. These panels came out so long ago and if they were really worth the risk they would be popping out everywhere but clearly they are not. Not only is it costly, these panels seem to require a lot of space so trying to make it beneficial for a majority will only take it up areas that we’ll probably need in the future. I neither disagree nor agree with having solar thermal energy because it doesn’t really make a difference to me and I think most people are in the same mindset that’s why no advancements have been made.

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  10. From my own knowledge base and the information in the article, I do not think Thermal Solar is price competitive at this point in time. With Ivanpah very recently completed, I wanted to do some external research on the solar thermal plant to see if I could formulate a more calculated guess on price competition. First, I found an article from business insider entitled “Ivanpah Solar Plant Already Irrelevant”. The article goes on to explains that the thermal solar process is overly complicated while photovoltaic solar is simpler and less expensive. The complicated nature of thermal solar is also touched on in the blog article when it states that other solars and renewables look a lot better. Because of the huge investment and unsteady future, it does not seem likely that thermal solar is heading toward a price competitive market. The investment in time, space, money, and production necessary to build a thermal solar plant might be outweigh the benefits the plant could bring. Ivanpah is undoubtedly a major accomplishment in the realm of renewable energy, but it unfortunately may not have the success hoped for.

    If you are interested, here is the link of the article I found!
    http://www.businessinsider.com/ivanpah-solar-plant-already-irrelevant-2014-2

    Courtney Baxter

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  11. I think we absolutely need to stop depending so heavily on non-renewable resources like oil, coal, and natural gas. As more research is done on alternative energy sources, there are drawbacks to every option. Hydro power often alters the aquatic ecosystems and wind power can affect migratory patterns in birds as well as other things. Solar power of some kind was looking like the optimal choice as the retrieval of the energy does not alter the environment. However, the harnessing of the energy and transferring it to power we can use is proving to be a costly process. It is expensive to produce that technology but also it takes a toll on the environment by utilizing its resources. The article made a good point in stating that thermal solar energy will only be effective large scale and in certain areas. I feel that as solar panels get more popular, the price of the technology and installation will drop. This will make the use of solar panels more popular. While thermal solar energy might be optimal in some areas, I think solar panels will be more successful.

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  12. I think the Thermal Solar Energy is a good idea. It is interest to see that the steps are taken to start using renewable energy source instead of non- renewable sources such as coal, fossil fuel etc. According to the article World’s Largest Solar Plants Open in California. Is it the Future or a Dead End? By Will Oremus. The Ivanpah generates enough energy to power about 140,000 houses is California. That is not all the houses in California and the fact that this venture cost around 2.3 billion dollars, what happen to other states? I think that the Ivanpah is a great innovation but at the same time it is very expensive and not practical at this time and the fact that it is large scaled. Even though Ivanpah is geared towards building a clean energy economy and curbs greenhouse gas emission. Maybe the whole Thermal Solar Energy concept should be promoted more in the media etc. to get it out there and then they can work on something similar but not that expensive but the solar energy would help the economy a lot.

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  13. There is no doubt in my mind that Thermal Solar energy isnt a good idea. However, I think that in today's world it is essential to make a market for it first. The first obstacle to be tackled is the public's lack of awareness. People should be informed of the pros and cons, why switching to solar energy is beneficial? What would happen to the Earth if we dont start to look at different sources for clean energy. Although the pricey nature of the source might make it harder for people to perceive it well. But as I said people need to be informed better to make better for earth choice.
    Brightsource in my opinion is not completely to blame here for not looking into building more plants. I think the Government shares the blame. If the government does not provide any incentives for this sort of a deal, than companies would approach other projects where the government helps and makes it less risky and promotes the cause. If government pulled out of the projects my companies does, as a risk avert, I would put similar projects to pause till I see the result of the first one. Therefore, I think Government should provide more incentive for a greener world.

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  14. I think that there are not enough technological developments of solar power for it to be competitive resources just yet. I think that Ivanpah project is attempting to pave the way for more innovative ways of generating cleaner technologies in fossil fuels and nuclear power. As of now any green initiative would benefit us because of the era we are living in, the abundance of pollution, nuclear power and fossil fuels being used is only further damaging the environment. The article explains that Bright Source’s solar thermal technology has the advantage over conventional panels, which convert sunlight directly into electricity. However the disadvantage comes about with the great cost not just in dollars but also in laborers and resources. The fact that it is such a large scale operation and takes up large amounts of space as the article explains “the price of rival technologies has plummeted, incentives have begun to disappear and the appetite among investors for mammoth solar farms has waned.” This just confirms that until we see successful results there will be no large investments in thermal solar projects. That being said the purpose of the article is to show that they will not give up on the project because in the long run it is the healthier option for the environment and once it is established could prove greatly successful.

    Yaisa Sousa

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  15. Although thermal energy is expensive and is only appropriate at a large scale, I believe it is a great start. It can be used at large scale and we will have to find something that works on a smaller scale. Unfortunately, we are never going to have a perfect system to implement right away. It is going to take some failing and some tweaking. I understand many do not want to put that kind of money out there. It is a tricky situation. However, we do need to take control and start making changes, bigger changes. Our resources and clearly finite and they ARE a problem. Everything that is going on is showing us that we need to do something, fast, to better our world on a larger scale.

    Cynthia Romero

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  16. I believe Thermal energy is essential to the future of man kind, however it is just too expensive to fund and further research development is still necessary. I do not think it is price competitive and one of the main reasons is due to the lack of awareness. I can agree that companies like BrightSource who take the risks to prove that their technology will be efficient and effective and will also produce profits for investors will make a difference. If companies like this make it appealing, others might get interested and have a reason to get involved. People need to know its available and get educated on how it works. I also found one of the major issues with Thermal solar power is as Ernest Moniz mentioned, "solar thermal technology only worked at large scale and in certain locations". It is most efficient in large-scale areas therefore probably not ideal for cities and small communities. It is also dependent on the location, the article mentioned Arizona and Denver which is located in areas very different from New York or other east-coast cities. In summary I believe that Thermal Solar Power would be a ideal source of energy due to its potential, but it seems to still be too expensive and not practical to the average consumer.

    -Sharda Naitram

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  17. I believe thermal energy is a great idea, but I believe it should be taken into actions with small steps. First off I believe people should be aware of it. It is out there and many people know about it but many also don’t know. People should be aware the long run benefits to it. It will be costly in the short run but it will out-pay in the long run. I believe it should be run on a large scale first since it is very costly, before considering it on smaller scales. What discourages a lot of companies is the fact that it is very costly, therefore I don’t see a point in making it price competitive just yet. First there needs to be a market for it, once you create a market for it. We need to step-by-step transition people it use the alternative source of energy first, get them interested and aware of the long term benefits. Once we accomplish that and start slowly converting large scale energies into thermal sources, that is when companies can start considering to be price competitive.

    Monika Stanczyk

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